Joker Director Finally Explains That Last Crucial Scene

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  • Published: 09 October 2019
  • Arthur Fleck's biggest joke just might be the one he pulled on you. Joker director Todd Phillips recently made a few very interesting comments to the Los Angeles Times about the final scene of the movie comments that imply a bizarre truth about the story being presented. In case that's not warning enough, be advised that major spoilers for Joker lie ahead.

    Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur is depicted early and often as having a tenuous grip on reality. The film eventually lets on that it's not always clear which events are fantasy and which are reality not to the audience, and presumably not to Arthur.

    At the end, Arthur is seen with his psychiatrist in Arkham State Hospital after he has apparently killed his mother, incited a riot, shot Murray Franklin on live television, and escaped from police custody with the help of his clown-masked followers. As the shrink attempts to question him, Arthur simply laughs, telling her that she wouldn't get the joke. According to Phillips, it's this particular laugh that might hold a clue about the true nature of the story that just unfolded. He explained,

    "That laugh in that scene is really the only time he laughs genuinely. There are different laughs in the movie. There is the laugh from Arthur's affliction and then there is his fake laugh when he's trying to be 'one of the people,' which is my favorite laugh. But at the end, when he's in the room at Arkham State Hospital, that's his only genuine laugh in the movie."

    Why is that, exactly? Well, perhaps because in the end, the joke is on us, the audience. Phillips has said that one of the main influences on his film was The Killing Joke, the acclaimed 1988 graphic novel in which the Joker says that if he must have a past, he, quote, "[prefers] it to be multiple choice." The director made a direct allusion to this dialogue in suggesting that as many fans have speculated Arthur Fleck might not necessarily be who we think he is. Phillips said,

    "There are lots of ways you could look at this movie. You could look at it and go, 'This is just one of his multiple-choice stories. None of it happened.' I don't want to say what it is. But a lot of people I've shown it to have said, 'Oh, I get it he's just made up a story. The whole movie is the joke. It's this thing this guy in Arkham Asylum concocted. He might not even be the Joker.'"

    Phillips went on to state outright that the man who will become Batman's nemesis may simply be in the background somewhere, watching all of these events play out. He said,

    "Maybe Joaquin's character inspired the Joker. You don't really know. His last line in the movie is, 'You wouldn't get it.' There's a lot going on in there that's interesting."

    Phoenix himself also explained that Joker can be seen not so much as a straightforward narrative, but as a series of suggestions. Keep watching the video to see that the Joker director finally explains that last crucial scene!

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Comments • 3 834

  • Looper
    Looper   1 weeks back

    How much of Joker do you think really happened in the movie? Which parts?

    • John Galt
      John Galt  1 days back

      for all intents for the purposes of the character, EVERYTHING happened, if only in his mind.

    • slimturnpike
      slimturnpike  1 days back

      None of it. He's in the asylum the whole time.

    • dasein
      dasein  1 days back

      @Joseph Bernard interesting points. Anyhow, Arthur would not make sense as Batman's nemesis.

    • dasein
      dasein  1 days back

      @Paranoid0147 good points but if the riots didn't happen, then Thomas and Martha Wayne weren't killed, and Bruce wasn't orphaned. Arthur had to inspire the riots and they had to really happen.

    • dasein
      dasein  1 days back

      @Tyler Frederick good point

  • DH_Artist
    DH_Artist  2 hours back

    what I found funny, this may be just my sick mind, is that before walking in the hallway, he starts singing some of the lyrics to “That’s Life”, particularly “some people get their kicks, stomping on a dream” and we see his bloody footprints. So clearly he was stomping on her, probably stomping her brains out. Kinda a play on it, but again that’s probably just my twisted mind. I’d just like to think maybe that’s what the joke he was thinking about was. I sure as hell found it funny after watching it the second time 😂

    • Amazing Facts Kannada
      Amazing Facts Kannada  2 hours back

      I like phoenix laughing

      • jonathan lopez
        jonathan lopez  2 hours back

        Arthur fletcher is joker but not the joker that villan is the one that kills tomas wane and drops in a quimical bath after ala nicolson leto but not ledger.

        • Public Safety.
          Public Safety.  6 hours back

          The joker was in handcuffs during the last scene? If it was just all his imagination why was he in cuffs? He have had to have done something bad in order to be cuffed up like that right?

          • Gaunter O' Dimm
            Gaunter O' Dimm  6 hours back

            I'm not a big fan of Arthur not being the actual Joker, it kind of takes away from the movie.

            • Ryan Petersen
              Ryan Petersen  6 hours back

              Before seeing the movie:
              "The Joker's not supposed to have a backstory"
              After seeing the movie:
              "What the fuck so was that his backstory or not? What a ripoff copout ending!"

              • Melissa Magan
                Melissa Magan  6 hours back

                But i wanna know NOW LOL

                • Miss Vishis
                  Miss Vishis  6 hours back

                  You wouldnt get it...

                  • Dustin Fox
                    Dustin Fox  8 hours back

                    Pennys Bf created the most iconic villain in comic book history

                    • Mostafa Abdelmawla
                      Mostafa Abdelmawla  8 hours back

                      The clocks are always 11:11 everywhere in the movie, except on the show with Murry it's 10:37, I'm not sure what that means!

                      • aUstin
                        aUstin  10 hours back

                        He should of said “it’s just a prank bro” at the end of the talk show scene

                        • L
                          L  11 hours back

                          I think if this was all imaginary then it would ruin the story because. I loved the movie because you can truly see and understand and feel for Arthur and why he became the Joker. If he Arthur isn't really the joker or this story is fake then the audience has just lost that relatability to the Joker

                          • Martin Macdonald
                            Martin Macdonald  11 hours back

                            Joker would have been better if that last scene was cut. The ending should have been Joker dancing on the hood of the police car. That hospital scene detracted from the film.

                            • Martin Macdonald
                              Martin Macdonald  11 hours back

                              Whatever. I hope we don't get a slew of 'director's cuts' and 'my interpretation' from various contributors to this masterpiece. Many people create a film. Sometimes many cooks do make a good broth.

                              • J2x
                                J2x  13 hours back

                                So we would be getting another actor playing joker? When this man did an awesome job! Smh. That’ll be a L

                                • C
                                  C  14 hours back

                                  I’ve got a theory that the Joker is actually Bruce Wayne’s heart / soul. Everything that the Joker does is actually an expression of Bruce Wayne’s changing feelings towards his Father. Bruce’s desire to bring joy and laughter to his Father (his whole world at that point/as a kid). When Joker came to visit his home. That was Bruce’s attempt to bring joy and laughter into the family home. But his Father didn’t allow joy and laughter or joking in his home. A child is meant to bring their parents joy. Joke around with them together. But when joker (Bruce’s Heart) confronts Thomas in the bathroom, Thomas rejects ‘Bruce’s (up until then) hidden desire to connect with him on that level permanently. From that point on, Bruce became his Fathers enemy in his heart (‘you don’t want to Joke with me? I’ll make you joke with me!?!’) .. and he believed in his heart he wanted to kill his Father / parents. Tear down everything his father valued above himself.
                                  But that last scene was where Joker (taking the viewpoint that he is Bruce’s heart) has a sense of relief that the people who prevented him from laughing / joking were no longer able to do so.. dead. but he would never be able to joke freely again. As he is trapped in shame (the asylum)
                                  This is why Batman is ‘so serious’.
                                  He once wanted to bring joy and laughter to the world (his fathers world), but now that childhood dream is gone. An impossibility.
                                  The ironic laugh in the end in the white room was that he realized that he didn’t truly want to kill his father but kill himself. And failed to accomplish this. He instead only managed to kill his own innocent + pure dream of making his Father laugh. Connect with him on a deeper emotional / personal level. Not just be a symbol of his social status / an appendage.
                                  So the battle between Batman and Joker from here on in in the story universe is that Joker is Batman’s suicidal ideation. His desire to kill himself. End his own life that he must battle with daily.

                                  • Thomas Pålsson
                                    Thomas Pålsson  14 hours back

                                    A story that's essantially entirely open for interpretation is not a story at all. It's just verbal fragments bereft of any real value.

                                    Hack writing.

                                    • Calvin Tai
                                      Calvin Tai  15 hours back

                                      When he said those words on Murray's talk show, I got mad chills. It's so true.

                                      • Mr.VelociDeltaDerp
                                        Mr.VelociDeltaDerp  16 hours back

                                        Damn, I really want this movie's Joker to be the actual Joker that faces off with Batman! I don't care how, I just wanna! This Joker has so much potential, from what I'm getting from the movie, so if he doesn't live up to it at the end, if the Joker that faces off with Batman is just some 'fanboy' of this Joker, then I'm done, man!

                                        • Cata Tonic
                                          Cata Tonic  16 hours back

                                          This movie is defined by one simple point - Psychopathy is no joke.





                                          Art? Depth? Layers?... nah!
                                          Garbage?... yes!

                                          • Cata Tonic
                                            Cata Tonic  16 hours back

                                            So basically this wasnt a story, it was art. Lmao i'd hang myself if i couldnt tell a decent story while having a college education. Its like having an art degree and making stick figure murals.

                                            • nycmanowar
                                              nycmanowar  16 hours back

                                              If they did want to do it ..an older Joker and younger Batman could work..like Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker. Instead of, No Luke..I am your father..it could be, Brucie, I'm your brother. (He may or may not be..but..it's a good plot twist). Could be a reason why Joker doesn't really want to kill Batman..but then, Joker would have to know Batman is Bruce Wayne at some point

                                              • Darren Frey
                                                Darren Frey  17 hours back

                                                Has anyone ever seen the fan film called Joker Rising that came out about 5 or 6 years ago? Being a fan film, obviously it isn't over the top on a budget or actors or anything like that, but for what it is, I loved it and while there is a glimpse of Batman, the story is entirely about how the Joker becomes the Joker. I love that they are focusing on him considering he is just as popular as Batman is.

                                                • Preston  Sturgis
                                                  Preston Sturgis  17 hours back

                                                  Only Dceu would be stupid enough to not build off of they're only critical and box office success since the Dark Knight rises. Yeah Wonder woman was good but I think it's worth it to kill it off if it means we can get a new batman

                                                  • DVD Video
                                                    DVD Video  19 hours back

                                                    In my opinion joker is good and the world is evil

                                                    • H.A.K
                                                      H.A.K  19 hours back

                                                      The psychiatrist looked awfully calm when talking to Arthur. It must be all in his head. xD

                                                      • Cesare
                                                        Cesare  20 hours back

                                                        The truth is: we dont really care, we dont want to hear that it was just in his head or that it was real, the most important thing is the message " we are all clowns". Ahahahahahahahaha

                                                        • M3nta
                                                          M3nta  20 hours back

                                                          no.
                                                          i want Joaquin to be the joker.
                                                          omfg if it will be someone else im gonna crack.
                                                          please oh please he was so good dont ruin it for me.

                                                          • Phantom1999
                                                            Phantom1999  20 hours back

                                                            I want this joker to uo against batman.. this is the most fucked up down to earth joker ever.. love Phoenix

                                                            • John Platte
                                                              John Platte  21 hours back

                                                              ...Why so serious?

                                                              • Milan
                                                                Milan  22 hours back

                                                                I think it was real because Wayne is murdered here and that thing happened in lets say all Batman movies. I'v just cant accept that its not real because a lot of things happened.

                                                                • RXI 6375
                                                                  RXI 6375  22 hours back

                                                                  Most of DC comic villains are more human. Marvels is just bullshit aliens from nowhere.

                                                                  • Duende Official
                                                                    Duende Official  22 hours back

                                                                    If they make a sequel they should add Batman but in a similar way the played with Joker. Maybe he would be a figment of Joker's imagination, or another personality of the Joker or something like that. I really liked the psychological way they depicted Joker and not just a villain in a comic book. This is much deeper, more exciting and interesting because you feel it might just be real.

                                                                    • Gypsy Queen
                                                                      Gypsy Queen  22 hours back

                                                                      Joker is real to me.....that's the beauty of the movie you see whats in your head

                                                                      • Anastasia styles
                                                                        Anastasia styles  22 hours back

                                                                        I really dont wanna believe that he imagined everything...Its even more sad

                                                                        • Terror Of Death
                                                                          Terror Of Death  23 hours back

                                                                          I think he died in the fridge.

                                                                          • alzauri fatahillah
                                                                            alzauri fatahillah  23 hours back

                                                                            The theory that "Joachin" Joker is only an inspiration for the real Joker kinda makes sense. He has ignited the clowns (criminal community) in which from the group then aroused the real Joker. Arthur Fleck interacted with Bruce Wayne when Bruce Wayne still a kid. If This Joker is real Joker, in the future he must be addressing Batman some clue about their interaction in the past. Because there's also a theory that Joker actually knows who Batman is but he prefers not to care.
                                                                            In this Movie, Wayne maybe at his 10, while Joker is 40. when Batman became Batman (in his 30), Joker must be 60 (if we assume that this Joker is The Joker). I think it will be more reasonable if Batman 30, then Joker was 40.
                                                                            For me, it is true that this Joker is actually an inspiration for the real Joker.

                                                                            • Benjámin Kurilla
                                                                              Benjámin Kurilla  23 hours back

                                                                              But there is a reason why Arthur was institutionalised. Also he just might think her psychiatrist wouldn't understand, because she never did in the first place.

                                                                              • HI EVERYONE
                                                                                HI EVERYONE  1 days back

                                                                                Heath Ledger played a great role before his passing, but this film and actor will surpass that other version. My favorite is still 89's Batman w Nicholson and Keaton.

                                                                                • Joey Stanley
                                                                                  Joey Stanley  1 days back

                                                                                  At the end of it all he still ain’t as intelligent as the heath ledger joker and now he better sit and wait cause uncle Batman’s growing up lol jk

                                                                                  • Naufal Muhammad Haiqal

                                                                                    wait, if the man who we see in the taxi was the man who all along pull the trigger of the riots and bring Fleck in, then he maybe one of the potential Joker...

                                                                                    • Joey Stanley
                                                                                      Joey Stanley  1 days back

                                                                                      Love Dc comics but I wish they’d put it all together like The MCU does. Still waiting on robin’s character to show up after the dark night . And I wished they keep the same characters everyone always has to compare who does better at acting and what not ..

                                                                                      • Cody
                                                                                        Cody  1 days back

                                                                                        Bruh, WE NEED to see Joaquin's Joker vs Pattinson's Batman! That is just begging for something amazing to happen!

                                                                                        • VobisPacem
                                                                                          VobisPacem  1 days back

                                                                                          Arthur already announced on live TV that he is a villain character joker, and everyone in that world already watched it firsthand.
                                                                                          So if another person comes out to claim the name joker it wouldn't work.

                                                                                          • Luis Romo
                                                                                            Luis Romo  1 days back

                                                                                            Not joker? Wack that's the real one in this universe I agree tho wouldn't fit well with bad man

                                                                                            • Jason Paul Elder
                                                                                              Jason Paul Elder  1 days back

                                                                                              I think it's a brilliantly profound film that shouldn't be made into something deeper than it already is. If it were all a delusion, especially with the premise of it inspiring the real Joker to come, it would be overkill in my opinion.

                                                                                              There's already a degree of obvious delusion or fantasizing at times with Arthur, but it really appears to me that the audience is allowed into his mental deterioration enough to see the many facets to it. This is why there are times to feel sympathetic, supportive, alarmed, and entertained by his transformation.

                                                                                              As for the last line, saying that the therapist wouldn't get the joke, I just took that as in - even as a worker in a psych ward (and based on his previous experience in being observed), his mental condition - locked firmly into identity of the Joker - would be over her head to comprehend.

                                                                                              This makes the most sense to me because there's a heightened degree of non-nonsense confidence in his being the Joker.

                                                                                              • Rohit das
                                                                                                Rohit das  1 days back

                                                                                                JOKER GIRLFRIEND I THINK IS ILLUSION