What Joker Gets Right That Other Batman Movies Got Wrong

  • Published: 10 October 2019
  • Dark, dismal, and as realistic as it gets, Joker gives the Batman mythos a whole slew of updates that makes everything feel more grounded in the real world and, in many ways, more effective. These are just a few of the things that Joker does better than any other Batman movie.

    Joaquin Phoenix's portrayal of Arthur Fleck is more relatable than any other Clown Prince we've met on the big screen. We all know what it's like to imagine romantic lives with those who don't reciprocate, to fantasize about being heralded in a world of fame, and to be recognized for being special. We don't, thankfully, all respond as Fleck does when those desires aren't fulfilled, but still, getting to know Arthur gives us something we've never had with any other Joker an understanding of why he becomes and remains the Joker.

    Cesar Romero's Joker of the '60s television show was, like the rest of that series' antagonists, just a crook with a particular theme. The origins of Heath Ledger's Joker are a mystery in The Dark Knight and his motivations seem to change from scene to scene. We get to meet Jack Napier before he becomes Joker in 1989's Batman, but it doesn't help make the character more relatable. He was always kind of a huge, homicidal jerk.

    Obviously, Christopher Nolan and Tim Burton had different priorities when making their respective films than Todd Phillips did with Joker, but as MCU villains like Tom Hiddleston's Loki and Josh Brolin's Thanos have taught us, the more we can relate to a supervillain, the more we enjoy their portrayal.

    We briefly meet some of the Wayne family in Joker. Thomas Wayne is running for mayor, Arthur Fleck gets the opportunity to meet his future nemesis Bruce Wayne as a young boy, and we even briefly meet the butler Alfred Pennyworth. Particularly in the case of Thomas Wayne, the versions we see of the characters in Joker aren't quite the saints Bruce Wayne usually remembers in the various movies. Keep watching the video to see what Joker gets right that other Batman movies got wrong!


    The man behind the smile | 0:16
    Waynes' world | 1:26
    Tough act to follow | 2:30
    Welcome to Gotham City | 3:23
    Laughing all the way to the grave | 4:08
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Comments • 587

  • Looper
    Looper   1 weeks back

    Which is the best Batman movie of all time?

    • Creeper Awe man
      Creeper Awe man  4 days back

      Emilio Gomez now tell me not as a marvel or dc fanboy what in your opinion is a good film?

    • ansa RAJIV
      ansa RAJIV  5 days back

      U idiot go and see dark knight triology

    • David Chittick
      David Chittick  1 weeks back

      @Paddy2Fatty Well I wouldn't say that's a Batman movie, but yeah I agree with you that's a really good movie.

    • Paddy2Fatty
      Paddy2Fatty  1 weeks back


    • David Chittick
      David Chittick  1 weeks back

      I'll name all the Batman movies I love.
      1. Batman 1989
      2. Batman: Returns
      3. Batman: Forever
      4. Batman: Begins
      5. The Dark Knight
      6. The Dark Knight Rises
      7. Batman: Assault on Arkham
      8. Batman: under the Red hood
      9. Batman: mystery of the Batwoman
      10. Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker
      11. Batman & Mr. Freeze
      12. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

  • Scott Miller
    Scott Miller  1 days back

    I think people were so stuck on heath ledger joker that they want this movie to be bigger than that. In my opinion there will never be a better joker than ledgers. Sorry

    • Dion Elysium
      Dion Elysium  2 days back

      How is Pheonix the best Joker? FOH! How can you be the Clown Prince of Crime when your laugh is a health condition????? DUUUUH

      • Ramesh Narayan
        Ramesh Narayan  3 days back

        The narrator of these videos from Looper has an incredibly sexy accent & voice. I want to marry an American now! Great movie, watched it with great anticipation, wasn't disappointed. Blown away by Phoenix's acting.

        • لؤي حاصوفي
          لؤي حاصوفي  3 days back

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          • The Rageaholic
            The Rageaholic  3 days back

            Who is the moron that thinks Gotham is New York?

            • Amine Dehak
              Amine Dehak  4 days back

              In my opinion, this joker was inferior to the one shown in the dark knight. I think revealing so much about the background of the joker was a mistake. Like a magic trick, once explained the magic is gone forever. This joker was portrayed as a person with mental issues, an obvious attention seeker, someone who dreams of normal life and relationships and who blames society for his state. Everything about him is planned and rehearsed like an act, nothing is spontaneous and everything is reactionary making the plot predictable. The effect his killings had on the masses who were already at the edge was thus effortless and unintentional. The joker from the dark knight was completely different, he didn't demand attention he took it, he never reacted to events he caused the whole god damn thing. He had a plan all along but everything seemed spontaneous and out of order. He was a true agent of chaos. All this joker did was dancing around and cough laughing.

              • Gassy Jalapeño
                Gassy Jalapeño  4 days back

                This is the type of creativity that Edward Norton wanted when he did the Incredible Hulk movie. They edited and released a totally different movie and the reason he refused to do any more. To bad. Look forward to Joker 2. Phoenix enjoyed doing this to much and really can’t stop thinking about it as he has discussed already about what they could do next. Never thought I would ever see someone top Heath’s version. Bravo mr Phoenix.

                • Nicholas Blue
                  Nicholas Blue  4 days back

                  My problem is he came off more of as a crazy loser and isnt methodical as the Joker is supposed to be, it's all based off whim. It's like any average man can become the Joker. He is still portrayed as dangerous and unpredictable but it's just seems to come up missing somehow, it's like I don't want to know why he's insane. His persona just came off as very lame.

                  • Stanrijo ™
                    Stanrijo ™  5 days back

                    The song in the background?

                    • Mike Stack
                      Mike Stack  5 days back

                      Notice how Leto didn't even get a mention

                      • ansa RAJIV
                        ansa RAJIV  5 days back

                        Guys don't forget the dark knight

                        • Lego Batman 27
                          Lego Batman 27  6 days back

                          Joker's age:
                          1880: 0-10.
                          1905: 10-15.
                          1914: 15-20.
                          1920: 20.
                          1990: 20-25.
                          2000: 25-30.
                          2005: 30-35.
                          2010: 35-40.
                          2010: 41.
                          2017: 42.
                          2036: 42-48.
                          2045: 48-57.

                          • Lego Batman 27
                            Lego Batman 27  6 days back

                            After 2045 joker family's age:
                            2035-∞: same age, they live in *SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO* many years, they're immortal, but the others of the joker species are living in more than 1000 years.

                          • Lego Batman 27
                            Lego Batman 27  6 days back

                            Joker older son's age:
                            1996: 0-5.
                            2005: 5-9.
                            2010: 10-13.
                            2016: 14-18.
                            2028: 18-25.
                            2036: 26-30.
                            2045: 31-35.

                          • Lego Batman 27
                            Lego Batman 27  6 days back

                            Joker younger son's age:
                            2030: 0-3.
                            2031: 4-7.
                            2035: 7-10.
                            2040: 10-11.
                            2045: 12.

                          • Lego Batman 27
                            Lego Batman 27  6 days back

                            Joker daughter's age:
                            2026: 0-4.
                            2028: 4-7.
                            2030: 8.
                            2042: 9-14.
                            2045: 14-20.

                          • Lego Batman 27
                            Lego Batman 27  6 days back

                            Joker son's age:
                            2019: 0-7.
                            2026: 7-8.
                            2028: 8-10.
                            2030: 11.
                            2043: 12-13.
                            2045: 13-14.

                        • VaibRA
                          VaibRA  6 days back

                          "The worst part of mental illness is people expect you to behave as if you don't"

                          • REBEL COUNTRY Hwy 295
                            REBEL COUNTRY Hwy 295  6 days back

                            mentality = chaos and chaos = disturbance and from disturbance we get JOKER

                            • Genji Shimada
                              Genji Shimada  6 days back

                              *YOU DARE SPEAK ILL OF THE ONE TRUE JOKER?*

                              • cbrend22
                                cbrend22  6 days back

                                You accurately recognized that T Wayne was told though Bruce’ eyes, which colored his view. Somehow, you failed to see that this movie’s view was no more accurate because it came from Arthur’s POV, it’s not some objective, closer to reality portrayal. EVERY characterization of T Wayne, no matter the source, is nearly identica

                                • Abomb Twin
                                  Abomb Twin  2 days back

                                  Agreeed I don’t think the Wayne we de in the film is real. These people don’t get that Joker is telling the story and he loves blaming people for his problems especially Batman. So it’s only logical Joker wants the world to be just as dark as he is and Thomas to be nothing more then an asshole.

                              • Yawn Sleep
                                Yawn Sleep  7 days back

                                I dont know what I'm more tired of seeing

                                the Wayne's getting shot or uncle Ben lol

                                • Orlando Penate
                                  Orlando Penate  4 days back

                                  Good thing you don't have to put up with Ben for long....

                              • gamerrod
                                gamerrod  7 days back

                                I've seen it 4 times these past four days. I'm feeling like a joker.

                                • raiden ___
                                  raiden ___  7 days back

                                  Phoenix Jokers got DID swear down

                                  • Rob M
                                    Rob M  7 days back

                                    I hope this rolls into a whole new DC era I'd love if they brought batman into the next one either as a half part or just a small part of a joker 2 movie

                                    • Brad Richardson
                                      Brad Richardson  1 weeks back

                                      Joker was phenomenal but I think an important aspect has been missed. One of the biggest twists comes from Thomas Wayne himself. After the subway murders, Wayne himself acknowledges that the degenerate 3 worked for him but he didn't know them. But he referred to them as family. Penny worked for Wayne 30 years prior but he knew everything about her when confronted by Arthur. He is a billionaire in the middle of a campaign but could recall everything about her, her alleged boyfriend and the abuse Arthur was subject to. Also that he was adopted and totally dismissed him being his son. How could he know all of these details, even what was in her file at Arkham if he wasn't involved someway, somehow??? Let's not forget she had a signed photo from Wayne....hummm. think about it

                                      • Mr. Taylor
                                        Mr. Taylor  1 weeks back

                                        WB needs to use the same director or producer to keep this going, consistency is key.

                                        • Mr. Taylor
                                          Mr. Taylor  1 weeks back

                                          I just hope that WB will see the writing on the wall that this film was right and it felt dark and gritty now they need to input the Batman with less high tech gadgets and more of his detective skill and brute hand to hand combat.

                                          • mclarenight
                                            mclarenight  1 weeks back

                                            The R rating, Saved you 5 mintues

                                            • David Polaczek
                                              David Polaczek  1 weeks back

                                              watch it have nothing to do with Batman/DC

                                              • Evan Wilkinson
                                                Evan Wilkinson  1 weeks back

                                                they should do a ridler movie and have it end with ridler getting locked up with Joker.

                                                • El Jano
                                                  El Jano  1 weeks back

                                                  So, a few weeks ago it was everything Avengers and now it's gonna be all Joker?

                                                  • Dan Da
                                                    Dan Da  1 weeks back

                                                    Vanessa and Paper Boi.

                                                    • Minh Hùng Nguyễn Phạm

                                                      The next batman should focus more on how he deals with his family's reputation, his flamboyant life and his way to accept who he is and become batman (Basically Joker but with a redemption ending)

                                                      • shivam vishwakarma
                                                        shivam vishwakarma  1 weeks back

                                                        For the first time I felt good when Thoman Wayne died 😂😂

                                                        • Tsaki Tx
                                                          Tsaki Tx  4 days back

                                                          So you can't believe Bruce but a crazy guy seems ok?

                                                      • Ted Bates
                                                        Ted Bates  1 weeks back

                                                        You are not supposed to find a homicidal maniac, "relatable" idiot. FFS.

                                                      • Jingo Warhawk
                                                        Jingo Warhawk  1 weeks back

                                                        Joker wins because it did not rely on CGI.
                                                        Did not try to cram a backstory and death in one movie.
                                                        Did not waste any time with needless explosions or wild stunts.
                                                        Less is more.
                                                        Take note hollywood

                                                        • Mowza
                                                          Mowza  1 weeks back

                                                          Some of these trailer shots are alot more sad now after watching the movie.

                                                          • The Peach Mountain King

                                                            Personally, I'd love to see them do Scarecrow.

                                                            • Maritza Piccarillo
                                                              Maritza Piccarillo  1 weeks back

                                                              For sure the backstory is more relatable and realistic. Falling into a tank of green laughing gas goo wasn't working for me.

                                                              • 100.000 Subscribers without videos

                                                                When I win the Oscar can you introduce me as joker

                                                                • Ill Wezee
                                                                  Ill Wezee  1 weeks back

                                                                  It's a comic book character! Why should he be realistic? This chick faults 2 movies for portraying their comicbook traits in the movies but this feels more believable? This movie isn't praised for being an origin story. It's receiving acclaim for developing A Character unrelated to the world it was created for with passive tie-ins. There was no point in calling it Joker except naming rights. She literally deconstructs every comicbook-related aspect of the character and his world calling it wrong. Thumbs way down!

                                                                  • Amedeo Isoldi
                                                                    Amedeo Isoldi  1 weeks back

                                                                    you guys understand nothing about Batman and the Joker.

                                                                    • Logical Man
                                                                      Logical Man  1 weeks back

                                                                      I never realized Joker was gay. I on now he was raised by his mother but still pretty strong trait coming from Joker that I never realized.

                                                                      • Moyo Ayman
                                                                        Moyo Ayman  1 weeks back

                                                                        We dont want to see any relation to the Batman! it will make it superficial and fiction.. we love how ot os connected to humanity and our psyche please dont relate to the batman children stories! i hate all jokers except for this one

                                                                        • Tsaki Tx
                                                                          Tsaki Tx  4 days back

                                                                          So you can relate to a murderer but don't want to relate to Batman...
                                                                          .weird huh

                                                                      • Julz Diamondz
                                                                        Julz Diamondz  1 weeks back

                                                                        Changing thomas wayne personality changes who Bruce's becomes that's like a version of spider man where uncle ben an asshole or like superman and pa Kent a dickhead like do they become the heroes they are ?

                                                                        • Noah Reyes
                                                                          Noah Reyes  1 weeks back

                                                                          I wish this joker was in the DCEU

                                                                          • Wayne Slater
                                                                            Wayne Slater  1 weeks back

                                                                            I didn't see Arthur dance with his mom ?.

                                                                            • OnlyMyOpinion •
                                                                              OnlyMyOpinion •  1 weeks back

                                                                              Why you sneak dissing Heath Ledger throughout this? That's still the most accurate & badass joker ever

                                                                              • Ryuga Law
                                                                                Ryuga Law  1 weeks back

                                                                                We nEeD DC tO maKe DaRkEr MovIeS

                                                                                • T Stanton
                                                                                  T Stanton  1 weeks back

                                                                                  It was a beautiful movie. I loved it

                                                                                  • CrazyJimmi9
                                                                                    CrazyJimmi9  1 weeks back

                                                                                    I saw Joker as a 'real life' interpretation of what a character study on the joker would look like in a movie setting. And it was beautifully done.

                                                                                    • REBEL COUNTRY Hwy 295
                                                                                      REBEL COUNTRY Hwy 295  6 days back

                                                                                      thank you for that reply this is what this movie is about joker and made joker go in the direction that he took in the universe